{"id":296,"date":"2011-09-27T14:32:00","date_gmt":"2011-09-27T14:32:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/2011\/09\/27\/the-franco-german-round-table-on-intangibles\/"},"modified":"2017-02-07T15:24:08","modified_gmt":"2017-02-07T14:24:08","slug":"the-franco-german-round-table-on-intangibles","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/en\/2011\/09\/27\/the-franco-german-round-table-on-intangibles\/","title":{"rendered":"The Franco-German Round Table on Intangibles"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>The French\u2013German Round Table on intangibles and knowledge assets is a research and policy initiative by two major universities in the two countries (as well in Europe) \u2013 The University Paris-Sud and Heidelberg University &#8211; who decided to join their recent and on-going research efforts, in order to:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Come up with conceptual instruments;<\/li>\n<li>Provide a stimulating platform for research and action for progress among different stakeholders in France and Germany;<\/li>\n<li>Contribute, more generally, to the large dialogue in Europe and more globally, on the role of intangibles in value creation.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a class=\"btn\" href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/Table-ronde-franco-allemande-sur-les-actifs-immat\u00e9riels-23sept-2011.pdf\">Download the agenda<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Download speakers&#8217; slides below.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-1291\" src=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-3-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-3-1024x768.jpg 1024w, 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srcset=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-2-1024x768.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-2-220x165.jpg 220w, http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-2-400x300.jpg 400w, http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-2-768x576.jpg 768w, http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-2-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-1293\" src=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-1024x768.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1024\" height=\"768\" srcset=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-1024x768.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-220x165.jpg 220w, http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-400x300.jpg 400w, http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-768x576.jpg 768w, http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-300x225.jpg 300w, http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles.jpg 1600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/p>\n<h2>Session 1:<\/h2>\n<h3>Intangible investment and economic growth a comparative analysis of France and Germany<\/h3>\n<p><strong>Moderator: Pr Leif Edvinsson, Lund University, Chairman, The New Club of Paris<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/1-Thomas-Knowledge-Economy-Agenda-Power-Point.pdf\">\u201cL\u2019Allemagne et l\u2019agenda de l&#8217;\u00e9conomie de la connaissance\u201d, <strong>Dr Uwe Thomas<\/strong>, ancien Secr\u00e9taire d&#8217;Etat au Minist\u00e8re F\u00e9d\u00e9ral Allemand de l&#8217;\u00c9ducation et de la Recherche<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/2-Peters-Intangibles_in_Germany_Peters.pdf\">\u201cIntangible investments in Germany, an overall perspective\u201d, <strong>Dr Bettina Peters<\/strong>, Senior Economist, ZEW<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/3-Delbecque_Bounfour-France_Germany_short-09.2011.pdf\">\u201cIntangible investments in France, over a long term period\u201d, <strong>Vincent Delbecque<\/strong>, Post-Doc, European Chair on Intellectual capital management, University Paris-Sud, <strong>Pr Ahmed Bounfour<\/strong>, University Paris-Sud, European Chair on Intellectual Management<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/4-Bourlange-The-Franco-German-round-table-on-intangibles.pdf\">\u201cIntangible assets of the public sector\u201d, the French experience. <strong>Danielle Bourlange<\/strong>, Deputy Director General, Apie<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/10\/5-Edvinsson-NIC-Benchmark-Germany-France.pdf\">\u201cBenchlearning between France and Germany\u201d, <strong>Pr Leif Edvinsson<\/strong>, Lund University, Chairman, The New Club of Paris<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>Session 2:<\/h2>\n<h3>Information systems and organisational capital as complementary assets<\/h3>\n<p><strong>Moderator: Pr Guenter Koch, General Secretary, The New Club of Paris<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/1-Schneider.pdf\">\u201cOrganisational capital, Human capital as strategic resources\u201d, <strong>Martin Schneider<\/strong>, Professor, University of Paderborn (on-line)<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/2-Bounfour-IS-OC-a-structural-complementarity-short-FINAL.pdf\">\u201cValuing IS &amp; organisational assets, a French perspective\u201d, <strong>Ahmed Bounfour<\/strong>, University Paris-Sud<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/3-Epinette-Franco-german-meeting-on-Intangible-assets.pdf\">\u201cModeling and valuing IT assets for the digital enterprise\u201d, <strong>Georges Epinette<\/strong>, Groupement des Mousquetaires, VP and President of the \u201cCercle de l\u2019immat\u00e9riel\u201d, CIGREF<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"&lt;a href='http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/5-St\u00e9venin-AFOPE-26-sept-2011.pdf'&gt;5 - St\u00e9venin - AFOPE 26 sept 2011.pdf&lt;\/a&gt;\">\u201cModeling and valuing organisational capital\u201d, <strong>Daniel St\u00e9venin<\/strong>, President, Afope<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>Session 3:<\/h2>\n<h3>Reporting and valuing intangibles: The financial analyst perspective<\/h3>\n<p><strong>Moderator: Pr Dr Peter Pawlowsky, Chemnitz University<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/1-Eyssette-Table-ronde-26-septembre.pdf\">\u201cReporting on intangibles: the financial analyst view\u201d, <strong>Alban Eyssette<\/strong>, Chairman, \u201cIntangibles Commission\u201d, SFAF, France<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>Session 4:<\/h2>\n<h3>Reporting and valuing intangibles (with a specific focus on SMEs)<\/h3>\n<p><strong>Moderator&nbsp;: Vincent BARAT, DGCIS, MINEFI<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/1-Pawlowksy-WM2010_German-French-Round-Table-24-09-2011-Vers2.pdf\">\u201cIC &amp; KM in German SMEs\u201d, <strong>Pr. Dr Peter Pawlowsly<\/strong>, Chemnitz University<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/2-Wulf-Paris_IC_20110919_FINAL.pdf\">\u201cThe Wissensbilanz recent projects in Germany\u201d, <strong>Pr Dr Inge Wulf<\/strong>, Clausthal University<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/3-Geay-OSEO-26-septembre.pdf\">\u201cHow to approach value creation in SMEs, the OSEO experience\u201d, <strong>Annie Geay<\/strong>, Directrice de l&#8217;Evaluation et des Etudes, OSEO<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>Session 5:<\/h2>\n<h3>IPRs, public funding and open innovation practices<\/h3>\n<p><strong>Moderator: Dominique Guellec, OECD<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/1-Salmelin-F-D-seminar-Paris.pdf\">\u201cOpen innovation and the services economy\u201d, <strong>Bror Salmelin<\/strong>, Advisor to the DG Information Society and Media, The European Commission<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/2-Thumm-Presentation_Nikolaus-V1.pdf\">\u201cOpen innovation versus proprietary knowledge&#8217;\u201d, <strong>Nikolaus Thumm<\/strong>, Chief Economist, EPO<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/3-Kleer-Paris-Presentation.pdf\">\u201cUsing open innovation as an innovative mean for technology transfer\u201d, <strong>Pr Dr Robin Kleer<\/strong>, RWTH Aachen University<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<h2>Session 6:<\/h2>\n<h3>Looking at the future:\u00a0Value creation in Knowledge markets, networks and communities<\/h3>\n<p><strong>Moderator: Pr Dr Jacques Liouville, University of Strasbourg<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/1-Gl\u00fcckler-2011-09-Paris.pdf\">\u201cCreating value in network and the peripheral voice\u201d, <strong>Pr Dr Johannes Gluekler<\/strong>, University of Heidelberg<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/2-Ibert-knowledge_flows_among_communities.pdf\">\u201cThe knowledge flow among communities\u201d, <strong>Pr Dr Oliver Ibert<\/strong> Institur f\u00fcr Geographische Wissenschaften, Berlin<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<div class=\"shariff\" data-title=\"The Franco-German Round Table on Intangibles\" data-info-url=\"\" data-backend-url=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/plugins\/shariff-sharing\/backend\/index.php\" data-temp=\"\/tmp\" data-ttl=\"60\" data-service=\"tl\" data-services='[\"facebook\",\"twitter\",\"linkedin\"]' data-image=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.u-psud.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-3-1024x768.jpghttp:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-3-1024x768.jpg 1024w, http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-3-220x165.jpg 220w, http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-3-400x300.jpg 400w, http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-3-768x576.jpg 768w, http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/09\/The-Franco-German-Round-Table-on-Intangibles-3-300x225.jpg 300w\" data-url=\"http:\/\/www.chairedelimmateriel.universite-paris-saclay.fr\/en\/2011\/09\/27\/the-franco-german-round-table-on-intangibles\/\" data-lang=\"en\" data-theme=\"color\" data-orientation=\"horizontal\"><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>The French\u2013German Round Table on intangibles and knowledge assets is a research and policy initiative by two major universities in the two countries (as well in Europe) \u2013 The University Paris-Sud and Heidelberg University &#8211; 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